| vijs666
Pievienots: 12.09.2006
Ziņojumi: 2432 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 12.09.2011 14:17 |
 Ja ,tas ir fakts,par ieguldījumu apjomiem....
ka pēc šiem gājieniem mazā Igaunija nenokļūst lielākos parādos kā mēs..... |
Tedis
Pievienots: 12.07.2008
Ziņojumi: 1483 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 12.09.2011 17:11 |
Grieķu obligācijas šodien intraday sasniedza jaunus rekordus:
1 gada - 122%;
2 gadu - 69%;
5 gadu - 27%
10 gadu - 23%;
30 gadu - 15%.
Tas jau pamazām sāk atgādināt 1998. gada vasaru Krievijā. |
dragonfly
Pievienots: 17.08.2004
Ziņojumi: 2022 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 12.09.2011 21:24 |
Es tā skatos, ka baņķieru mīļākais ēdiens šosezon ir grieķu salāti |
Mario
Pievienots: 13.10.2004
Ziņojumi: 3487 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 12.09.2011 21:45 |
| Te izskatās, ka nu jau likmes tiek liktas uz to, cik dienas Grieķija vēl noturēsies un kurš būs tas pēdējais, kas paliks ar šīm obligācijām. |
Tedis
Pievienots: 12.07.2008
Ziņojumi: 1483 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 13.09.2011 09:31 |
Man vairāk izskatās pēc tā, ka vācu un franču bankas grib līdz septembra beigām tikt vaļa no grieķu obligācijām, jo citādi pēc Q3 atskaitēm viņām spēcīgi pazeminās reitingus. Jebkurā gadījumā Eiropas banku Q3 atskaites būs neglītas.
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trakais
Pievienots: 24.12.2010
Ziņojumi: 332 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 13.09.2011 10:49 |
I was trying to analyze this Eurozone problem in the weekend. I'll briefly give you my findings and thoughts but just as headlines of analysis.
I believe you all know what is happening on the surface. We read a lot of news about this Eurozone problem on the media. Everyone is blaming each other.
However it is very hard to understand the answers of those questions; what is really happening?, what is the real problem, and how would it be resolved? Media never gives us the real answers. We need to go very deep.
My finding are very simple. I have looked at the problem as a business problem, mixed a bit of politics. It is business as huge money involved in it.
- Greece, Portugal and Ireland have too much debt which could not be paid in time which will require on-going budget austerity. (What did they do with this much money is another issue, but not our problem here.)
- All three countries would eventually have to restructure their debts or would go to default and/or leave Eurozone.
- Initially, the EU tried to get away with 'soft' restructurings, involving a combination of longer maturities and lower interest rates.
- But it is understood now that this wouldn't work as the struggling euro countries would not be able to grow rapidly enough to service their debts by 2013. At that time there will be no viable alternative to 'hard' restructurings -which means default,- comprising debt write-downs of 50 per cent or more.
The real problem is here;
WHO ARE THE CREDITORS OF STRUGGLING COUNTRIES?
It is not IMF or Worldbank, or European Central Bank/ECB (now involved and injecting money) but majority of this debt owned by private investors; they private banks and investment funds.
No one exactly knows who they are. It is a secret. I couldn't find them. There are only rumours about them. The rumoured banks are mostly French banks and some German banks.
WHO IS INVOLVED IN DEBT CONFLICT?
Those private investors are pushing France and German governments to pay the invoice for this debt. They don't want to write down any part of it.
But Germany says (all along in last 1.5 year) that those creditors who benefited a lot from those struggling countries so far, should write-down some of their loan that those countries shouldn't default.
Germany tried everything to keep the Eurozone in order, injected money to the system. However German people now ask to Angela Marker to stop giving tax payers money to struggling countries. Btw, Angela Merker is under alot pressure from her party that they might lose the election if they keep giving money to those struggling countries.
Financial speculators and hedge funds engaged in selling euros have also been accused by both the Spanish and Greek Prime Ministers of worsening the crisis. Angela Merkel has stated that "institutions bailed out with public funds are exploiting the budget crisis in Greece and elsewhere."
The role of Goldman Sachs in Greek bond yield increases is also under scrutiny. It is not yet clear to what extent this bank has been involved in the unfolding of the crisis or if they have made a profit as a result of the sell-off on the Greek government debt market.
ECB'S INVOLVEMENT, TRISCHET'S THREATS TO THE SYSTEM;
ECB president Jean-Claude Trischet supports to inject money to all struggling countries through the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF). (Europe's Finance Ministers approved a comprehensive rescue package worth Euro 750 Billion (then almost a trillion dollars) aimed at ensuring financial stability.)
As far as I can see Jean-Claude Trischet is representing those private investors as he supports their benefits. So he is at the centre of conflict. (He is going out in October anyway).
Trichet basically asks Germany to support his plans and inject money to the system. He threatened everyone by his very negative statements in recent weeks that European economies would go to a big crisis if those countries were not bailed out.
CONFLICT IS WORSENING BUT ABOUT TO BE RESOLVED!
But the conflict between Germany and the private investors is getting deeper. Last Friday, Jurgen Stark became the second German after Axel A. Weber who resigned from the ECB Governing Council in 2011 becasue of Jean-Claude Trichet's and his loyal team's policies. (Jurgen Stark is coming from Angela Merker's party.)
Private investors and their rep Trischet thought and been sure so far that Germany couldn't not afford the Greek default. So, Germany would have to pay the invoice.
However this time it looks different. Germany has now opening its cards. German gov. has already made its plans for Greek default and promised to pay 50% of the write offs of German banks in case of default.
GERMANY AND PRIVATE INVESTORS WILL HAVE TO AGREE ON A RESOLUTION; BECAUSE THIS IS BUSINESS..!
Now, we will see if those private investors will let Germany to stay back and leave Greece to default. A Greek default means, Portugal can default too. Then maybe others. So it may cause a chain reaction.
How those private investors will take the risk of Greek default we will see this now. I don't think they will get that risk. They will have to agree to write down 50% of those debts. And then those struggling countries will have a better debt to GDP ratio. That will get them a batter situation for paying their debts in the coming years.
DAMAGE!
Stock prices of the financial institutions in Europe are terrible atm. French banks have already lost 2/3 of their value in last 8 weeks. (Societe Generale SA, BNP Paribas SA and Credit Agricole SA).
I mean the damage is already done. We are not at the beginning of this crises, it is nearly ending IMO. |
swordfish
Pievienots: 16.08.2004
Ziņojumi: 6390 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 10:43 |
UBS AG, the Swiss financial-services firm, said it discovered a loss "due to unauthorized trading by a trader in its investment bank." For now, UBS estimated the loss at $2 billion and said it might post a third-quarter loss as a result.
Vēl viens Etjēns, kā viņu tur, Šitie veči ar sīkumiem neņemas, ja losi ķer, tad uz miljardiem |
termoss
Pievienots: 26.08.2004
Ziņojumi: 1706 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 11:05 |
nez kāpēc nekad neziņo par "discovered a PROFIT due to unauthorized trading"
reizēm liekas ka bankām ir labāk attaisnot savus saudējumus ar atsevisku darbinieku blēdībām nekā atzīt ka paši iebraukuši auzās |
swordfish
Pievienots: 16.08.2004
Ziņojumi: 6390 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 11:44 |
| Tieši šī doma man arī iešāvās prātā - kur ziņojumi, ka pateicoties mūsu ģeniālajiem treideriem, profits tūlīt būs par 10 miljardiem lielāks |
indijs
Pievienots: 11.06.2009
Ziņojumi: 521 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 14:33 |
| Nav tur pieminēts,ko riska menedžers tanī laikā darījis?pēc kafijas aizgājis? |
indijs
Pievienots: 11.06.2009
Ziņojumi: 521 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 14:44 |
No sērijas- ASV valdība ziņo-ierindnieks Džons Smits brīvdienās bija paņēmis -Uss Monterey-karakuģi pavizināties,kā rezultātā izraisījis raķešu apšaudi pa Irānu.Kopējie anautorizētie zaudējumi sastāda 2 000 000 000$ Asv valdība un armija ir nepatīkami pārsteigta un vīlusies Džona Smita rīcībā
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Tedis
Pievienots: 12.07.2008
Ziņojumi: 1483 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 21:27 |
Paskatieties filmu "Rogue Trader". Kad Nikam Līsonam bija neautorizēts profits, visi saņēma prēmijas un viņus interesēja tikai viens - LIELĀKS PROFITS!  |
swordfish
Pievienots: 16.08.2004
Ziņojumi: 6390 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 15.09.2011 22:50 |
| Kas interesanti, banku sektors šodien zeļ un plaukst, vēl pirms pusgada tas bija pietiekošs iemesls, lai lejā jauktos itin viss. |
Up&Down
Pievienots: 25.07.2011
Ziņojumi: 26 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 17.09.2011 01:00 |
Italy now at center of Europe's debt crisis
Who's next ????
or should I say... who's left? (c)
Domāju ka ar Grieķiju varētu notikt kas nelāgs, tātad atkopšanās Eirozonai būs palēna.
Nu ja Merkele un Sarkozī neaizdos arī savu personīgo naudu.
Kāpēc tanī pussalā tik daudz protestētāju par budžeta samazināumiem?( Īpatsvars salīdzinot ar mūsu 13 janvāri - atoma lielumā). Varbūt tas tāpēc ka grieķi zažraļis |
Up&Down
Pievienots: 25.07.2011
Ziņojumi: 26 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 17.09.2011 01:08 |
Vai arī tas tāpēc ka tur 60 % satāda iebraucēji no D-valstīm, kuriem patika 2; 3; 4; 5; X lielākas algas nekā savā ``afrikā vai āzijas DR piekrastē. Tieši tāpēc šiem labpatīk braukt virsū un protestēt par to ka šie nevēlas atgriezties pagātnē un ēst 1 sviestmaizi triju vietā.
Tā ka domāju ka drīzumā tanī pussalā kautkas notiks - vai nu Zemesstrīce, vai grautiņi... |
Up&Down
Pievienots: 25.07.2011
Ziņojumi: 26 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 17.09.2011 01:10 |
| Mūsu īpatsvars salīdzinājumā ar grieķiem ir atoma lielumā |
Up&Down
Pievienots: 25.07.2011
Ziņojumi: 26 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 17.09.2011 01:16 |
| Nu ja tur kas būs nopietns, tad domāju ka kritums biržās būs tikai īslaicīgs un visi jau tā bus pieraduši ka ģrieķija ir ...Who cares |
robertinijo
Pievienots: 26.02.2011
Ziņojumi: 1098 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 17.09.2011 10:22 |
EMM,var kāds paskaidrot sīkāk,kas varētu notikties pēc šī gadījuma(-iem)
Европу наводнят спасительными долларами
http://biznes.delfi.lv/economy/evropu-navodnyat-spasitelnymi-dollarami.d?id=40655865
Kā,es saprotu dollars vispar klus par fantiku,ja vinji ta turpinas..+ saksies hyperinflacija--> latvija arī ? un mūžīgais jautājums,palikt LV, akcijas,nekustamais, zelts-diezvai
izskatās reāli panika sākas,ja Amerikan BRO's sāk vnk drukāt naudu un pirkt ko vajag.. raudāt gribas.. |
Hermanis
Pievienots: 27.08.2005
Ziņojumi: 5563 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 17.09.2011 19:57 |
Robertinjo, inflācija tuvākajā gadā nepārsniegs 10% ASV. Piedāvāju derības uz vienām pusdienām 25 Ls apmērā. Atskaites punkts 01. jūlijs 2011. līdz 2012. 01 jūlijam .
Ja būs inflācija es daudz neko nezaudēšu. Varbūt pēc gadfa pa šo naudu lēts hamburgers sanāks. |
robertinijo
Pievienots: 26.02.2011
Ziņojumi: 1098 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 18.09.2011 10:37 |
nu pa sho gadu ta arī varētu būt..
1.tad sanāks tu būsi jebkurā gad, uzvarētājs + 25lohi ir mans 1/4mēn. budžets zaudējot sanāk nedēļu uz ūdens (pat tas ir par maksu) ...badoties, ar kuriem dzīvoju diez vai spēs mani pabarot,tik vienīgi ar grādīgo padalīties kstate,domāju šo nedēļu ,nē -bet nākamajā,vai nu pa nāk. brīvdienām varētu satikties  ,ja būsiet brīvi ar termosu (skan divdomīgi ) |
Tedis
Pievienots: 12.07.2008
Ziņojumi: 1483 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 18.09.2011 19:08 |
robertinjo,
neiesaku derēt uz 25Ls pusdienām:
1) pusdienas var paēst lētāk;
2) 25Ls var ieguldīt ar lielāku atdevi.
Hermanis laikam cer, ka tu atkārtosi viņa jaunības dienu kļūdas. |
robertinijo
Pievienots: 26.02.2011
Ziņojumi: 1098 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 18.09.2011 20:44 |
skaidrs,ka nederētu..
nezinu vai tādas jaunības kļūdas viņam bija.. diezin vai.. -(plānot vai būs hyperinflācija vai nē, un derēt ar nepazīstamiem cilvēkiem uz 1/8min.mēnesalgas nedomāju,ka viņš nodarbojās,ar tādām riskantām lietām -jo te vai nu 100% peļņa vai 0 ls..Labāk būt 100% vinnetajam un aiziet paēst vienam pašam par 25ls .. vienīgais mīnuss,skumīgi vienam būtu.. |
VanK
Pievienots: 17.08.2004
Ziņojumi: 1394 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 19.09.2011 11:31 |
Gribēju likt Fleimā, bet tomēr nopietna lieta Interesanti ilustrēta. Saņēmu no ASV draugiem (disclaimer: šiem dikti nepatīk Obama).
Here is why the S&P downgraded the U.S.credit rating.
U.S. Tax revenue $2,170,000,000,000
Federal budget $3,820,000,000,000
New debt $1,650,000,000,000
National debt $14,271,000,000,000
Recent budget cuts $38,500,000,000
Now let’s remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget.
Annual family income $21,700
Money the family spent $38,200
New debt on credit card $16,500
Outstanding balance on credit card $142,710
Total budget cuts $385 |
trakais
Pievienots: 24.12.2010
Ziņojumi: 332 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 23.09.2011 01:05 |
Jims Rodgers pavisam sapīcis un sludina apokalipsi.
Jim Rogers TheNext global recession will be worse than 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyKYvvOSgJI&feature=related |
trakais
Pievienots: 24.12.2010
Ziņojumi: 332 | Re: Kas notiek pasaules tirgos... 23.09.2011 01:25 |
U.S. Banks Are Getting Stronger, Bove Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/75950342/ |
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